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Cantata BWV 178
Wo Gott derr Herr nicht bei uns hält

Ref.

BWV 178

German Title

Wo Gott derr Herr nicht bei uns hält

English Title

If God the Lord is not on our side (by Richard Stokes)

Event

Chorale Cantata for 8th Sunday after Trinity
Readings: Epistle: Romans 8: 12-17; Gospel: Matthew 7: 15-23
Musical Context of Bach Cantatas: Motets & Chorales for 8th Sunday after Trinity

Composed

Leipzig, 1724
1st performance: July 30, 1724 - Leipzig

Text

Justus Jonas (Mvts. 1, 4, & 7 after Psalm 124); Anon (Mvts. 2, 3, 5, 6)

German Text | NBA Text | Translations: Catalan-1 | Chinese-1 | Chinese-2 | Dutch | English-1 | English-3I | English-3P | English-5 | English-6 | English-10 | French-4 | French-6 | Hebrew-1 | Indonesian | Italian-2 | Russian-1 | Spanish-3 | Spanish-7
Chorale Text: Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält (Psalm 124)

Scoring

Soloists: Alto, Tenor, Bass; 4-part Chorus
Orchestra: 2 oboes, 2 oboes d’amore, viola, horn in the soprano continuo
Mvt. 1: Chorus (Chorale) | Mvt. 2: Chorale & Recitative | Mvt. 3: Aria | Mvt. 4: Chorale | Mvt. 5: Chorale & Recitative | Mvt. 6: Aria | Mvt. 7: Chorale

Score Vocal & Piano [2.35 MB] | Score BGA [3.22 MB]
Chorales: Mvt. 7
Capella: Mvt. 7 [cap]
Chorale Melody: Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält

References

BGA: XXXV | NBA: I/18 | BC: A 112 | Zwang: K 81 | First Published: BG, 1888 | Autograph score (facsimile): ? | Provenance

Commentary

BCW | Crouch | AMG | Emmanuel Music | Mincham | Role [French] | Reyes [Spanish]

Music

Music Examples

Discussions

Week of August 5, 2001; Week of July 16, 2006; Week of September 4, 2011

Contents

 

Complete Recordings
Recordings of Individual Movements

Discussions - Part 1 (1st round)
Discussions - Part 2 (2nd round)
Discussions - Part 3 (3rd round)

Cantatas Vol. 14 - conducted by Ton Koopman
Cantatas Vol. 23 - conducted by Masaaki Suzuki

Recordings - Part 1

Complete Recordings

1

The RIAS Bach Cantatas Project (1949-1952) [C-5]

 

Cantatas BWV 178 [21:59]

Karl Ristenpart

RIAS-Kammerchor / RIAS-Kammerorchester

Alto: Ingrid Lorenzen; Tenor: Helmut Krebs; Baritone: Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau

Audite 21.415

Jun 20 & Jul 14, 1950

9-CD / TT: 631:06
MP3 / TT: 629:09

Recorded at the Jesus-Christus-Kirche, Berlin-Dahlem, Germany. Radio recordings. Previously unissued in any form.
Produser Comment | Press Kit German | Press Kit English
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2

Die Bach Kantate Vol. 44
Edition Bachakademie
Vol. 53

Helmuth Rilling

Gächinger Kantorei Stuttgart / Bach-Collegium Stuttgart

CD: Alto: Gabriele Schreckenbach; Tenors: Kurt Equiluz (Mvts. 4 & 6) & Aldo Baldin (Mvt. 5); Bass: Wolfgang Schöne
LP: Altos: Helen Watts, Hildegard Laurich; Tenors: Kurt Equiluz, Hans Wilhelm; Basses: Siegmund Nimsgern, Wolfgang Schöne

Hänssler

Feb 1982 (Mvts. 1-3, 5, 7); Feb 1972 (rest)

TT: 22:34 (CD) / 22:20 (LP)

Recorded at Gedächtniskirche Stuttgart, Germany. LP recorded in 1971-1972.
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3

Bach Cantatas Vol. 4 - Sundays after Trinity I

Karl Richter

Münchener Bach-Chor / Münchener Bach-Orchester

Soprano (?): Edith Mathis; Contralto: Julia Hamari; Tenor: Peter Schreier; Bass: Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau

Archiv Produktion

Mar 1975; Oct 1976; Jun 1977

TT: 19:51

Recorded at Herkules-Saal, München, Germany.
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4

J.S. Bach: Das Kantatenwerk · Complete Cantatas · Les Cantates, Folge / Vol. 41 - BWV 175-179
J.S. Bach: Das Kantatenwerk - Sacred Cantatas
Vol. 9 - BWV 163-182
Bach-2000
Vol. 4: Sacred Cantatas 4 - BWV 150-159, 161-188, 192, 194-199
Bach: Cantatas / Kantaten
Vol. 53 - BWV 177-179

 
 
 

Cantatas BWV 178 [20:12]

Nikolaus Harnoncourt

Tölzer Knabenchor (Chorus Master: Gerhard Schmidt-Gaden) / Concentus Musicus Wien

Boy Alto: Panito Iconomou (Soloist of Tölzer Knabenchor); Tenor: Kurt Equiluz; Bass: Robert Holl

Telefunken 6.35755
Teldec 8.35755 ZL
Teldec 4509-91763-2
Teldec 3984-25709-2
Teldec 8573-81157-2
Warner Classics 8573-81157-5

P 1988

2-LP / TT:
2-CD / TT: 87:50
6-CD / TT: 366:45
15-CD / TT: 861:24
CD / TT: 58:17
CD / TT: 58:17

Recorded at Casino Zögernitz, Vienna, Austria (?).
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5

Bach Edition Vol. 11 - Cantatas Vol. 5

 
 

Cantatas BWV 178 [20:22]

Pieter Jan Leusink

Holland Boys Choir / Netherlands Bach Collegium

Alto: Sytse Buwalda; Tenor: Knut Schoch; Bass: Bas Ramselaar

Brilliant Classics 99370

Nov-Dec 1999

5-CD / TT: 270:58

Recorded at St. Nicolaschurch, Elburg, Holland.
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6

J.S. Bach: Complete Cantatas Vol. 14

 
 

Cantatas BWV 178 [19:32]

Ton Koopman

Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir

Alto: Annette Markert; Tenor: Christoph Prégardien; Bass: Klaus Mertens

Antoine Marchand CC-72214

Feb 28-Mar 6, 2000

3-CD / TT: 205.31

Recorded at Waalse Kerk, Amsterdam, Holland.
See: Cantatas Vol. 14 - conducted by Ton Koopman
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7

Bach Cantatas Vol. 5: Rendsburg/Braunschweig
For the 8th Sunday after Trinity
For the 10th Sunday after Trinity

 
 

Cantatas BWV 178 [19:26]

John Eliot Gardiner

Monteverdi Choir / English Baroque Soloists

Counter tenor: Robin Tyson; Tenor: Christoph Genz; Bass: Brindley Sherratt

Soli Deo Gloria 147

Aug 13, 2000

2-CD / TT: 118:46

Live recordings from the Bach Cantata Pilgrimage, at Christkirche, Rendsburg, Germany.
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8

J.S. Bach: Cantatas Vol. 23 - Cantatas from Leipzig 1724 - BWV 10, 93, 107, 178

 
 

Cantata BWV 178 [18:47]

Masaaki Suzuki

Bach Collegium Japan

Counter-tenor: Matthew White; Tenor: Makoto Sakurada; Bass: Peter Kooy

BIS 1331

May 31 - Jun 4, 2002

CD / TT: 75:43

Recorded at the Kobe Shoin Women's University Chapel, Japan.
See: Cantatas Vol. 23 - conducted by Masaaki Suzuki
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9

J.S. Bach: Cantatas for the Complete Liturgical Year Vol. 3: "Ich habe genug" - Cantatas BWV 82 · 102 · 178

 

Cantata BWV 178 [20:08]

Sigiswald Kuijken

(OVPP - No Choir) / La Petite Bande

Soprano: Elisabeth Hermans; Alto: Petra Noskaiova; Tenor: Christoph Genz; Bass: Jan Van der Crabben

Accent 25303

Sep 2005

SACD / TT: 65:30

Recorded at Predikherenkerk, Leuven, Belgium.
2nd recording of Cantata BWV 82 by S. Kuijken.
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10

J.S. Bach: Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält [C-1]

Georg Christoph Biller

Thomanerchor Leipzig / Gewandhausorchester Leipzig

Alto: Susanne Krumbiegel; Tenor: Martin Petzold; Bass: Matthias Weichert

Rondeau Production 6023

2008

TT: 21:09

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The list of recordings was compiled by Aryeh Oron (August 2001 - July 2012)
Thanks to contributors: Frits V. Herbold (March 2012), Piotr Jaworski (December 2003), Ehud Shiloni (March 2004), Matthias Hansen (September 2005)

Cantata BWV 178: Details & Complete Recordings | Recordings of Individual Movements | Discussions: Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3

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