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Cantata BWV 178
Wo Gott derr Herr nicht bei uns hält

Ref.

BWV 178

German Title

Wo Gott derr Herr nicht bei uns hält

English Title

If God the Lord is not on our side (by Richard Stokes)

Event

Chorale Cantata for 8th Sunday after Trinity
Readings: Epistle: Romans 8: 12-17; Gospel: Matthew 7: 15-23
Musical Context: Motets & Chorales for 8th Sunday after Trinity

Composed

Leipzig, 1724
1st performance: July 30, 1724 - Leipzig

Text

Justus Jonas (Mvts. 1, 4, & 7 after Psalm 124); Anon (Mvts. 2, 3, 5, 6)

Text: German-1 | German-6 | NBA Text | Translations: Catalan-1 | Chinese-1 | Chinese-2 | Dutch | English-1 | English-3I | English-3P | English-5 | English-6 | English-10 | French-4 | French-6 | Hebrew-1 | Indonesian-1 | Italian-2 | Russian-1 | Russian-3 | Spanish-3 | Spanish-7
Chorale Text: Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält (Psalm 124)

Scoring

Soloists: Alto, Tenor, Bass; 4-part Chorus
Orchestra: 2 oboes, 2 oboes d’amore, viola, horn in the soprano continuo
Mvt. 1: Chorus (Chorale) | Mvt. 2: Chorale & Recitative [A] | Mvt. 3: Aria [B] | Mvt. 4: Chorale [T] | Mvt. 5: Chorale & Recitative [B, T, A] | Mvt. 6: Aria [T] | Mvt. 7: Chorale

Score Vocal & Piano [2.35 MB] | Score BGA [3.22 MB]
Chorales: Mvt. 7
Capella: Mvt. 7 [cap]
Chorale Melody: Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält

References

BGA: XXXV | NBA: I/18 | BC: A 112 | Zwang: K 81 | First Published: BG, 1888 | Autograph score (facsimile): ? | Provenance

Commentary

BCW | Crouch | AMG | Emmanuel Music | Mincham | Role [French] | Reyes [Spanish]

Music

Music Examples

Discussions

Week of August 5, 2001; Week of July 16, 2006; Week of September 4, 2011; Week of July 20, 2014

Contents

 

Complete Recordings
Recordings of Individual Movements

Discussions - Part 1 (1st round)
Discussions - Part 2 (2nd round)
Discussions - Part 3 (3rd round)
Discussions - Part 4 (4th round)

Cantatas Vol. 14 - conducted by Ton Koopman
Cantatas Vol. 23 - conducted by Masaaki Suzuki

Recordings - Part 1

Complete Recordings

1

The RIAS Bach Cantatas Project (1949-1952) [C-5]

 

Cantatas BWV 178 [21:59]

Karl Ristenpart

RIAS-Kammerchor / RIAS-Kammerorchester

Alto: Ingrid Lorenzen; Tenor: Helmut Krebs; Baritone: Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau

Audite 21.415

Jun 20 & Jul 14, 1950

9-CD / TT: 631:06
MP3 / TT: 629:09

Recorded at the Jesus-Christus-Kirche, Berlin-Dahlem, Germany. Radio recordings. Previously unissued in any form.
Produser Comment | Press Kit German | Press Kit English
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J.S. Bach: Kantaten Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält, BWV 178; Herr, wie du willt, so schicks mit mir, BWV 73
J.S. Bach: Cantata No. 178 Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält; Cantata No. 73 Herr, wie du willt, so schicks mit mir
Die Bach Kantate
Vol. 44 (Cantatas BWV 187, 136, 178)
Edition Bachakademie
Vol. 53 (Cantatas BWV 176-178)

 
 
 

Cantatas BWV 178 [LP: 22:20 / 22:42; CD: 22:34]

Helmuth Rilling

Gächinger Kantorei Stuttgart / Bach-Collegium Stuttgart

LP: Altos: Helen Watts, Hildegard Laurich; Tenors: Kurt Equiluz, Hans Wilhelm; Basses: Siegmund Nimsgern, Wolfgang Schöne
CD: Alto: Gabriele Schreckenbach; Tenors: Kurt Equiluz [Mvts. 4,6], Aldo Baldin [Mvt. 5]; Bass: Wolfgang Schöne
Hans Wolf (Horn); Kurt Meier (Oboe); Hedda Rothweiler (Oboe); Otto Winter (Oboe d'amore); Helmut Koch (Oboe d'amore); Klaus Thunem ann (Bassoon) [Mvts. 1,7]; Hans Mantels (Bassoon) [Mvt. 4]; Walter Forchert (Concert-master); Martin Ostertag (Continuo Cello); Albert Michael Locher (Doubbass); Martha Schuster (Harpsichord); Hans-Joachim Erhard (Positive Organ)

Claudius Verlag CLV-71914
Laudate 98.664
Musical Heritage Society MHS-1694
Hänssler 98.806
Hänssler 92.053
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LP: Feb 1971; Feb 1972
CD: Feb 1982 [Mvts. 1-3,5,7]; Feb 1972 [Mvts. 4,6]

LP / TT: 37:75
LP / TT: 37:75
LP / TT: 39:04
CD / TT: 63:19
CD / TT: 62:03
MP3 / TT: 62:02

Recorded at Gedächtniskirche Stuttgart, Baden-Württemberg, Germany. Recording: Tonstudio Teije van Geest, Heidelberg [Mvts. 1-3,5,7], Sonopress Tontechnik, Güterloh [Mvts. 4,6]; Recording Supervision: Richard Hauck.
Listen on YouTube: Cantata BWV 176, BWV 177, BWV 178 [62:00]
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3

Bach Cantatas Vol. 4 - Sundays after Trinity I

 

Cantatas BWV 178 [19:51]

Karl Richter

Münchener Bach-Chor / Münchener Bach-Orchester

Soprano (?): Edith Mathis; Contralto: Julia Hamari; Tenor: Peter Schreier; Bass: Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau
Peter-Lukas Graf (Flute); Manfred Clement (Oboe d'amore)
Continuo: Fritz Kiskalt (Violoncello); Herbert Duft (Double-bass); Karl Kolbinger (Bassoon); Elfriede Singheiser, Elmar Schloter (Organ)

Archiv Produktion 439387-2
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Mar 1975; Oct 1976; Jun 1977

6-CD / TT: 359:25
MP3 / TT: 357:46

Recorded at Herkules-Saal, Munich, Bavaria, Germany. Production: Dr. Gerd Ploebsch / Helen Kuzaj; Balance Engineer: Hans-Peter Schweigmann.
Listen on YouTube: Cantata BWV 178: Complete Cantata [20:24] | Complete Cantata [20:21]
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J.S. Bach: Das Kantatenwerk · Complete Cantatas · Les Cantates, Folge / Vol. 41 - BWV 175-179
J.S. Bach: Das Kantatenwerk - Sacred Cantatas
Vol. 9 - BWV 163-182
Bach-2000
Vol. 4: Sacred Cantatas 4 - BWV 150-159, 161-188, 192, 194-199
Bach: Cantatas / Kantaten
Vol. 53 - BWV 177-179

 
 
 

Cantatas BWV 178 [20:12]

Nikolaus Harnoncourt

Tölzer Knabenchor (Chorus Master: Gerhard Schmidt-Gaden) / Concentus Musicus Wien

Boy Alto: Panito Iconomou (Soloist of Tölzer Knabenchor); Tenor: Kurt Equiluz; Bass: Robert Holl
CMW: Friedemann Immler (Cornett); Jörg Schaeftlein, Marie Wolf (Oboes); David Reichenberg, Hans Peter Westermann (Oboes d'amore); Milan Turkovič (Bassoon); Alice Harnoncourt, Erich Höbarth, Andrea Bischof, Karl Höffinger, Anita Mitterer, Peter Schoberwalter, Helmut Mitter, Walter Pfeiffer (Violins); Kurt Theiner, Josef de Sordi [Mvts. 1,7] (Violas); Herwig Tachezi [Mvts. 1,3-7], Rudolg Leopold [Mvt. 2] (Violoncellos); Eduard Hruza (Violone); Herbert Tachezi (Organ)

Telefunken 6.35755
Teldec 8.35755 ZL
Teldec 4509-91763-2
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Teldec 3984-25709-2
Teldec 8573-81157-2
Warner Classics 8573-81157-5

P 1988

2-LP / TT:
2-CD / TT: 87:50
6-CD / TT: 366:45
MP3 / TT: 362:32
15-CD / TT: 861:24
CD / TT: 58:17
CD / TT: 58:17

Recorded at Casino Zögernitz, Vienna, Austria (?).
Listen on YouTube: Cantata BWV 178: Complete Cantata [20:11] | Complete Cantata [20:25] | Complete Cantata [20:21] | Cantatas BWV 177, BWV 178, BWV 179 [58:16]
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Listen to audio recording by clicking on the TV image Bach - Cantate BWV 178 - Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns h?lt J. S. Bach : CANTATA -- BWV 178 "Wo Gott derr Herr nicht bei uns h?lt" (Nikolaus Harnoncourt) J. SEBASTIAN BACH.- Cantata BWV.178-Cuando el Se?or Dios no nos sostenga JS Bach Cantatas BWV 177,178,179,Nikolaus Harnoncourt

5

Bach Edition Vol. 11 - Cantatas Vol. 5

 
 

Cantatas BWV 178 [20:22]

Pieter Jan Leusink

Holland Boys Choir / Netherlands Bach Collegium

Alto: Sytse Buwalda; Tenor: Knut Schoch; Bass: Bas Ramselaar
HBC: Trebles: Anne Jan Leusink, Herjan Pullen, Hans van Roset, Aalt jan van Roest, Jelle Stocker, Gerwin Zwep, Tanny Roomen, Gerrit van der Hoorn, Erik Guldenaar, Peter van de Kolk, Nicky Westerink; Counter-tenors: Arjan Dokter, Gerald Engeltjes, Maarten Engeltjes, Vincent Groeneveld, Edwin Smit, Jan Willem Prins, Arjen Nap; Tenors: Martinus Leusink, Marijn Takken, Cor van Twillert, Frank Tros, Peter Bloemendaal, Frans Benschop; Basses: Jeroen Assink, Jim Groenevald, Sebastian Holz, Willem van der Hoorn, Huib van Hinsbergen, Klaas Alberts, Richard Guldenaar, Piet Schuyn
NBC: John Wilson Meyer (Concert-master), Laura Johnson, Antoinette Lohmann, Eva Scheytt, Elin Eriksson, Mimi Mitchel, Fanny Pestalozzi, Josef Tan, David Rabinowitz (Violins); Jan Willem Vis, Simon Murphy, Maarten Boeken (Violas); Frank Wakelkamp [Mvts. 2,4] (Violoncello); Maggie Urquhart, Robert Franenberg, Jan Hollestelle, Ties Marang, Joshua Cheatam (Double-bass); Peter Frankenberg [Mvts. 1,4], Ofer Frenkel [Mvt. 4], Christin Linde [Mvt. 1] (Oboes); Trudy va der Wulp (Bassoon); Susan Williams (Natural Trumpet); Rien Voskuilen, Vaughan Schlepp (Organ)

Brilliant Classics 99370

Nov-Dec 1999

5-CD / TT: 270:58

Recorded at St. Nicolaschurch, Elburg, the Netherlands. Production Manager: Christine Schreuder; Recording: Clavigram, Leerdam; Producer/editing: Jean van Vugt; Balance & Recording Engineer, Editing: Louis van Emmerk.
Listen on YouTube: Cantatas BWV 178, BWV 156, BWV 27 [79:33]
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6

J.S. Bach: Complete Cantatas Vol. 14

 
 

Cantatas BWV 178 [19:32]

Ton Koopman

Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir

Alto: Annette Markert; Tenor: Christoph Prégardien; Bass: Klaus Mertens
ABO Soloists: Alfredo Bernardini (Oboe, Oboe d'amore); Margaret Faultless (Violin); Kati Debrezeni (Violin); Jonathan Manson (Violoncello); Ton Koopman (Organ)
ABC: Sopranos: María-Luz Álvarez, Els Bongers, Henriëtte Feith, Francine van der Heijden, Caroline Stam; Altos: Annemieke Cantor, Stephen Carter, Peter de Groot, Hugo Naessens; Tenors: Otto Bouwknegt, Andreas Gisler, Henk Gunneman, Joost van der Linden, Geraint Roberts; Basses: Donald Bentvelsen, Mitchell Sandler, René Steur, Hans Wijers
ABO: Margaret Faultless, Elena Borderias, Marc Cooper, Kati Debrezeni, Foskien Kooistra, Marshall Marcus, Carla Marotta, Fanny Pestalozzi, David Rabinovich (Violins); Martin Kelly, Nicky Akeroyd (Violas); Jonathan Manson, Robbie Jacobs (Cellos); Nicholas Pap (Double-bass); Alfredo Bernardini, Michel Henry, Anna Starr (Oboes, Oboes d'amore); Andrew Clark (Horn); Margreet Bongers (Bassoon); Mike Fentrose (Lute); Jan Kleinbussink(Organ) [choir]; Ton Koopman (Organ) [recitatives & arias]

Antoine Marchand CC-72214
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Feb 28-Mar 6, 2000

3-CD / TT: 205.31
MP3 / TT: 204:55

Recorded at Waalse Kerk, Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Producer: Tini Mathot; Sound Engineer & Editing: Adriaan Verstijnen; Production Coordination: Willemijn Mooij.
Listen on YouTube: Cantata BWV 178: Complete Cantata [19:35]
See: Cantatas Vol. 14 - conducted by Ton Koopman
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7

Bach Cantatas Vol. 5: Rendsburg/Braunschweig
For the 8th Sunday after Trinity
For the 10th Sunday after Trinity

 
 

Cantatas BWV 178 [19:26]

John Eliot Gardiner

Monteverdi Choir / English Baroque Soloists

Counter tenor: Robin Tyson; Tenor: Christoph Genz; Bass: Brindley Sherratt
MC: Sopranos: Lucinda Houghton, Angela Kazimierczuk, Gillian Keith, Gillian Ross, Emma Preston-Dunlop, Elin Manahan Thomas; Altos: David Clegg, Richard Wyn Roberts, Carol Hall, Robin Tyson; Tenors: John Bowley, Robert Murray, Andrew Carwood, Andrew MacKenzie-Wicks; Basses: Simon Oberst, Robert Macdonald, Geoffrey Davidson, John Smyth
EBS: Kati Debretzeni, Penelope Spencer, Rebecca Livermore, Peter Lissauer, Nicolette Moonen (Violin I); Anne Schumann, Steven Jones, Daphne David, Rodolfo Richter (Violin II); Jane Rogers, Mari Giske, Emma Alter (Violas); Alison McGillivary, Christopher Poffley (Cellos); Valerie Botwright (Double-bass); Rachel Beckett, Christine Garrett (Flutes); Sussane Regel, James Eastaway (Oboes); Alastair Mitchell (Bassoon); Gabriele Cassone (Horn); Silas John Standage (Organ); Matthew Halls (Harpsichord)

Soli Deo Gloria 147
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Aug 13, 2000

2-CD / TT: 118:46
MP3 / TT: 118:05

Live recordings from the Bach Cantata Pilgrimage, at Christkirche, Rendsburg, Germany. Producer: Isabella de Sabata; Balance Engineers: Everet Porter, Erdo Groot (Polyhymnia International BV); Recording Engineers: Thijs Hoeksra (Polyhymnia), Rob Aarden (Eurosound); Tape Editor: Lentje Mooij.
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J.S. Bach: Cantatas Vol. 23 - Cantatas from Leipzig 1724 - BWV 10, 93, 107, 178

 
 

Cantata BWV 178 [18:47]

Masaaki Suzuki

Bach Collegium Japan

Counter-tenor: Matthew White; Tenor: Makoto Sakurada; Bass: Peter Kooy
Chorus: Sopranos: Yukari Nonoshita, Minae Fujisaki, Yoshie Hida, Naoco Kaketa; Altos: Matthew White, Hiroya Aoki, Tamaki Suzuki, Sumihito Uesugi; Tenors: Makoto Sakurada, Satoshi Mizukoshi, Michio Shimada, Yosuke Taniguchi; Basses: Peter Kooy, Yoshitaka Ogasawara, Kazuhiko Ono, Chiyuki Urano
Orchestra [Natsumi Wakamatsu, leader]; Corno da caccia: Toshio Shimada; Oboe/Oboe d’amore I: Masamitsu San’nomiya; Oboe/Oboe d’amore II: Atsuko Ozaki; Violin I: Natsumi Wakamatsu, Paul Herrera, Yuko Takeshima; Violin II: Azumi Takada, Yuko Araki, Kaori Toda; Violas: Yoshiko Morita, Amiko Watabe
Continuo: Violoncellos: Hidemi Suzuki, Mime Yamahiro; Double-bass: Seiji Nishizawa; Bassoon: Kiyotaka Dosaka; Harpsichord: Masaaki Suzuki, Naoya Otsuka; Organ: Naoko Imai

BIS 1331
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May 31-Jun 4, 2002

CD / TT: 75:43
MP3 / TT: 75:29

Recorded at the Kobe Shoin Women's University Chapel, Japan. Balance Engineer: Dirk Lüdemann; Producer: Thore Brinkmam; Digiul Editing: Fabim Frank.
See: Cantatas Vol. 23 - conducted by Masaaki Suzuki
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J.S. Bach: Cantatas for the Complete Liturgical Year Vol. 3: "Ich habe genug" - Cantatas BWV 82 · 102 · 178

 

Cantata BWV 178 [20:08]

Sigiswald Kuijken

(OVPP - No Choir) / La Petite Bande

Soprano: Elisabeth Hermans; Alto: Petra Noskaiova; Tenor: Christoph Genz; Bass: Jan Van der Crabben

Accent 25303

Sep 2005

SACD / TT: 65:30

Recorded at Predikherenkerk, Leuven, Belgium.
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J.S. Bach: Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält [C-1]

 

Cantata BWV 178 [21:09]

Georg Christoph Biller

Thomanerchor Leipzig / Gewandhausorchester Leipzig

Alto: Susanne Krumbiegel; Tenor: Martin Petzold; Bass: Matthias Weichert

Rondeau Production ROP-6023

2008

CD / TT: 50 min

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The list of recordings was compiled by Aryeh Oron (August 2001 - July 2014)
Thanks to contributors: Frits V. Herbold (March 2012), Piotr Jaworski (December 2003), Ehud Shiloni (March 2004), Matthias Hansen (September 2005)

Cantata BWV 178: Details & Complete Recordings | Recordings of Individual Movements
Discussions:
Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4

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