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Bach Cantatas & Other Vocal Works

General Discussions - Part 1

Bach Meisterwerke, c.q. Koopman

Wim Huisjes wrote (March 26, 1999):

(To Jane Newble) Please disregard the one-line message that was sent accidentally this afternoon, probably causing some amazement on your side. Just technical difficulties that you wouldn't want to know about. I still owe you an answer to your question about my "favourite" Koopman volume. I find that a hard question, simply because each volume contains, on average something like 8 or 9 cantatas.

I did some listening during the past few days (with much pleasure !). Personally I think you should start with a single CD: highlights of Volume I. : BWV 4, 21, 31, 71, 106, 131, 150, 184, 196 (ERATO 0630-13205-2). That should give you some idea, before plunging into an expensive undertaking. Remember though: ERATO undoubtedly has been very careful about what to include and what to exclude on this 1-CD release.

Volume 6 is quite illustrative, I think. Excellent performances of especially BWV 190, 59, 69, 50, 169, 186. It also gives you two bad examples. In the opening chorus of BWV 76, Koopman's tempo is so fast that the choir member's simply do not have the time to pronounce the words. If you speak some German, just try to read the words at the same speed Koopman wants it. I tried, and failed. So does the choir.

BWV 104 gets murdered. The opening chorus is a pleading prayer. The tempo is so high that my impression is that Koopman does not understand the words, or does not know what a prayer is (I'm exaggerating here) : in this case a desperate plea to God to be heard. The rest of the cantata is impressive though.

Try Fritz Werner, also on ERATO (early sixties), who in my opinion gives the best performance of the BWV 104 opening chorus ever recorded.

Volume 2 is impressive also. Apart from several fine cantata performances, it gives you BWV 524: Quodlibet. That was on my shelves in a TELDEC LP-release by Jürgens for years. I found it amusing, but never paid much attention to it. (I mean the work, not the performance).

Dutch radio and TV give much attention to Koopman's cantata project. He gives "trial performances" in three Dutch cities and some in the UK (don't know where), before recording the cantatas. These concerts are broadcasted over and over again. In fact, it would be a lot cheaper to tape these broadcasts than to buy the CD's.

I taped a video with a Koopman interview about the Quodlibet, a lot of discussion and rehearsal sessions in Koopman's living room (with Schlick, Wessel, Prégardien and Mertens), ending with the "official" performance in a Dutch concert hall. Since then, the Quodlibet is one of my favourites. The whole thing is hilarious, but (alas) a lot more fun on video than on CD.


Ton Koopman Cantata recordings

Cor Knops wrote (October 30, 1999):

Below is a listing of all the cantatas Ton Koopman has and will be recording for his Complete Cantatas-series on Erato. The number at the end of each line (BWV-number, cantata-title...) is the number of the volume on which it is (or will be) issued.

This information can also be found on our Website (under "Cantatas" or "Cantaten" (Dutch version)).

BWV

Cantata Title

Vol.

1

Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern

13

2

Ach Gott, vom Himmel sieh darein

10

3

Ach Gott, wie manches Herzeleid

15

4 + App.

Christ lag in Todesbanden

1

5

Wohin soll ich fliehen hin?

11

6

Bleib bei uns, denn es will Abend werden

14

7

Christ unser Herrscher zum Jordan kam

11

8

Liebster Gott, wenn werd ich sterben?

12

9

Es ist das Heil uns kommen her

19

10

Meine Seel erhebt den Herrn

11

11

Lobet Gott in seinen Reichen

20

12

Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen

2

13

Meine Seufzer, meine Tränen

15

14

Wär Gott nicht mit uns diese Zeit

20

16

Herr Gott, dich loben wir

15

17

Wer Dank opfert, der preiset mich

17

18 + App.

Gleichwie der Regen und Schnee vom Himmel fällt

2

19

Es erhub sich ein Streit

17

20

O Ewigkeit, du Donnerwort

10

21 + App.

Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis

1

22

Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe

3

23

Du wahrer Gott und Davids Sohn

3

24

Ein ungefärbt Gemüte

7

25

Es ist nichts Gesundes an meinem Leibe

7

26

Ach wie flüchtig, auch wie nichtig

12

27

Wer weiß, wie nahe mir mein Ende

18

28

Gottlob, nun geht das Jahr zu Ende

14

29

Wir danken dir, Gott, wird danken dir

20

30

Freue dich, erlöste Schar

20

30a

Angenehmes Wiederau, freue dich in deinen Auen!

20

31

Der Himmel lacht, die Erde jubilieret

1

32

Liebster Jesu, mein Verlangen

16

33

Allein zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ

13

34

O ewiges Feuer, o Ursprung der Liebe

15

35

Geist und Seele sind verwirret

17

36

Schwingt freudig euch empor

20

37

Wer da gläubet und getauft wird

9

38

Aus tiefer Not schrei ich zu Dir

13

39

Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot

16

40

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes

8

41

Jesu, nun sei gepreiset

11

42

Am Abend aber desselbigen Sabbats

14

43

Gott fährte auf mit Jauchzen

16

44

Sie werden euch in den Bann tun

10

45

Es ist dir gesagt, Mensch, was gut ist

17

46

Schauet doch und sehet, ob irgendein Schmerz sei

8

47

Wer sich selbst erhöhet, der soll erniedriget werden

18

48

Ich elender Mensch, wer wird mich erlösen

9

49

Ich geh und suche mit Verlangen

16

50

Nun ist das Heil und die Kraft

6

51

Jauchzet Gott in allen Landen!

19

52

Falsche Welt, dir trau ich nicht!

18

54

Widerstehe doch der Sünde

3

55

Ich armer Mensch, ich Sündenknecht

17

56

Ich will den Kreuzstab gerne tragen

18

57

Selig ist der Mann

17

58

Ach Gott, wie manches Herzeleid

18

59

Wer mich liebet, der wird mein Wort halten

6

60

O Ewigkeit, du Donnerwort

8

61

Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland

2

62

Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland

13

63 + App.

Christen, ätzet diesen Tag

3

64

Sehet, welch eine Liebe hat uns der Vater erzeiget

8

65

Sie werden aus Saba alle kommen

8

66

Erfreut euch, ihr Herzen

9

67

Halt im Gedächtnis Jesum Christ

7

68

Also hat Gott die Welt geliebt

14

69

Lobe den Herrn, meine Seele

6

69a

Lobe den Herrn, meine Seele

6

70

Wachet! betet! betet! wachet!

9

71

Gott ist mein König

1

72

Alles nur nach Gottes Willen

15

73

Herr, wie du willt, so schicks mit mir

10

74

Wer mich liebet, der wird mein Wort halten

14

75

Die Elenden sollen essen

6

76

Die Himmel erzählen die Ehre Gottes

6

77

Du sollt Gott, deinen Herren, lieben

8

78

Jesu, der du meine Seele

12

79

Gott, der Herr, ist Sonn und Schild

15

80 + App.

Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott

20

81

Jesus schläft, was soll ich hoffen?

8

82

Ich habe genug

18

83

Erfreute Zeit im neuen Bunde

8

84

Ich bin vergnügt mit meinem Glücke

18

85

Ich bin ein guter Hirt

14

86

Wahrlich, wahrlich, ich sage euch

9

87

Bisher habt ihr nichts gebeten in meinem Namen

14

88

Siehe, ich will viel Fischer aussenden

16

89 + App.

Was soll ich aus dir machen, Ephraim?

8

90

Es reißet euch ein schrecklich Ende

8

91

Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ

12

92

Ich hab in Gottes Herz und Sinn

13

93

Wer nur den lieben Gott läßt walten

13

94

Was frag ich nach der Welt

11

95

Christus, der ist mein Leben

7

96

Herr Christ, der einige Gottessohn

13

97

In allen meinen Taten

20

98

Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan

16

99

Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan

12

100

Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan

20

101

Nimm von uns, Herr, du treuer Gott

10

102

Herr, deine Augen sehen nach dem Glauben!

17

103

Ihr werdet weinen und heulen

14

104

Du Hirte Israel, höre

6

105

Herr, gehe nicht ins Gericht mit deinem Knecht

7

106

Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit

1

107

Was willst du dich betrüben

12

108

Es ist euch gut, daß ich hingehe

14

109

Ich glaube, lieber Herr, hilf meinem Unglauben!

8

110

Unser Mund sei voll Lachens

15

111

Was mein Gott will, das g'scheh allzeit

12

112

Der Herr ist mein getreuer Hirt

20

113

Herr Jesu Christ, du höchstes Gott

11

114

Ach, lieben Christen, seid getrost

12

115

Mache dich, mein Geist, bereit

11

116

Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ

11

117

Sei Lob und Ehr dem höchsten Gott

19

118

O Jesu Christ, meins Lebens Licht

20

119

Preise Jerusalem, den Herrn

10

120

Gott, man lobet dich in der Stille

18

120a

Herr Gott, Baller Dinge

18

121

Christum wir sollen loben schon

12

122

Das neugeborene Kindelein

13

123

Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen

13

124

Meinen Jesum laß ich nicht

12

125

Mit Freid und Freud ich fahr dahin

14

126

Erhalt uns Herr, bei deinem Wort

13

127

Herr Jesu Christ, wahr' Mensch und Gott

11

128

Auf Christi Himmelfahrt allein

14

129

Gelobet sei der Herr, mein Gott

16

130

Herr Gott, dich loben alle wir

10

131

Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir

1

132

Bereitet die Wege, bereitet die Bahn!

2

133

Ich freue mich in dir

13

134

Ein Herz, das seinen Jesum lebend weiß

10

134a

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

10

135

Ach Herr, mich armen Sünder

12

136

Erforsche mich, Gott, und erfahre mein Herz

7

137

Lobe den Herren, den mächtigen König der Erden

16

138

Warum betrübst du dich, mein Herz

9

139

Wohl dem, der sich auf seinen Gott

11

140

Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme

20

143

Lobe den Herrn, meine Seele

15

144

Nimm, was dein ist, und gehe hin

7

145

Ich lebe, mein Herze, zu deinem Ergötzen

18

146

Wir müssen durch viel Trübsal

15

147

Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben

7

148

Bringet dem Herrn Ehre seines Namens

7

149

Man singet mit Freuden vom Sieg

19

150

Nach dir, Herr, verlanget mich

1

151

Süßer Trost, mein Jesus kömmt

17

152

Tritt auf die Glaubensbahn

2

153

Schau, lieber Gott, wie meine Feind

9

154

Mein liebster Jesus ist verloren

9

155

Mein Gott, wie lang, ach lange?

3

156

Ich steh mit einem Fuß im Grabe

19

157

Ich lasse dich nicht, du segnest mich denn!

17

158

Der Friede sei mit dir

19

159

Sehet! wir gehn hinauf gen Jerusalem

19

161

Komm, du süße Todesstunde

3

162 + App.1

Ach, ich sehe, itzt, da ich zur Hochzeit gehe

3

163

Nur jedem das Seine!

3

164

Ihr, die ihr euch von Christo nennet

15

165

O heilges Geist- und Wasserbad

3

166

Wo gehest du hin?

9

167

Ihr Menschen, rühmet Gottes Liebe

8

168

Tue Rechnung! Donnerwort

16

169

Gott soll allein mein Herze haben

17

170

Vergnügte Ruh, beliebte Seelenlust

16

171

Gott, wie dein Name, so ist auch dein Ruhm

19

172

Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget ihr Saiten!

2

173

Erhöhtes Fleisch und Blut

7

173a

Durchlauchster Leopold

9

174

Ich liebe den Höchsten von ganzem Gemüte

19

175

Er rufet seinen Schafen mit Namen

16

176

Er ist ein trotzig und verzagt Ding

15

177

Ich ruf zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ

20

178

Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält

12

179

Siehe zu, daß deine Gottesfurcht nicht Heuchelei sei

6

180

Schmücke dich, o liebe Seele

10

181

Leichtgesinnte Flattergeister

7

182 + App.1

Himmelskönig, sei willkommen

2

183

Sie werden euch in den Bann tun

14

184

Erwünschtes Freudenlicht

7

185

Barmherziges Herze der ewigen Liebe

1

186

ÄÄrgre dich, o Seele, nicht

6

187

Es wartet alles auf dich

17

188

Ich habe meine Zuversicht

18

190

Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied!

6

191

Gloria in excelsis Deo

20

192

Nun danket alle Gott

19

193

Ihr Tore (Pforten) zu Zion

18

194

Höchsterwünschtes Freudenfest

9

195

Dem Gerechten muß das Licht immer wieder aufgehen

19

196

Der Herr denket an uns

1

197

Gott ist unsre Zuversicht

19

198

Laß Fürstin, laß noch einen Strahl

4

199

Mein Herze schwimmt im Blut

2

200

Bekennen will ich seinen Namen

20

201

Geschwinde, ihr wirbelnden Winden

4

202

Weichet nur, betrübte Schatten

5

203

Amore traditore

2

204

Ich bin in mir vergnügt

4

205

Zerreißet, zerprenget die Gruft

5

206

Schleicht, spielende Wellen, und murmelt gelinde!

5

207

Vereinigte Zwietracht der wechselnden Saiten

 

207a

Auf, schmetternde Töne der muntern Trompeten

5

208

Was mir behagt, ist nur die muntre Jagd!

3

209

Non sa che sia dolore

4

210

O holder Tag, erwünschte Zeit

5

211

Schweigt stille, plaudert nicht (Kaffeekantate)

4

212

Mer hahn en neue Oberkeet

5

213

Laßt uns sorgen, laßt uns wachen

5

214

Tönet, ihr Pauken! Erschallet, Trompeten

4

215

Preise dein Glücke, gesegnetes Sachsen

4

1045

Concert D grt. (fragment)

14


Koopman's BWV 50 recording

John Polifronio wrote (January 4, 2000):

Hi Johann, I'm delighted to hear that Koopman is engaged in recording all the Bach cantatas. I'm going to go and check to see if he's already recorded BWV 34.

JohSebastianBach wrote (January 5, 2000):

You are most welcome. I believe that Koopman is up to Vol. 8. Since I do not share your enthusiasm for Koopman's approach to this music, I have not been keeping up with the on-going project and therefore I cannot tell you if he has gotten to BWV 34. I do happen to have Vol. 6, which happens to contain BWV 50. The reconstruction is by Jan Kleinbussink, who also is the organ continuo player in the recordings. Christoph Wolff's annotation hints at the elusive nature of this movement. Since the "primary" source is a posthumous copy, everything has to be, essentially, purely a speculative conclusion. According to the notes, the performance includes both the surviving text and Kleinbussink's reconstruction of the putative original.

John Polifronio wrote (January 6, 2000):

JSB, My enthusiasm for Koopman varies quite a bit. But my love for the Bach Cantatas is at the highest level. My enthusiasm was more for the cantata BWV 34 than for Koopman; but I'm interested in any BWV 34 (or most other of the cantatas) that appears in a new recording. I'm not much of a fan of Harnoncourt either, but his BWV 34 on Teldec was quite good. Do you have a favorite BWV 4 I should know about? There are about 50 of the cantatas for which I have a special liking, and am constantly listening to whatever comes my way; but I can't hear all the available recordings of these unequaled masterpieces so any recommendations you might have would be appreciated.


Ton Koopman Newsletter

Cor Knops wrote (February 25, 2000):

HONORARY DOCTORATE FOR TON KOOPMAN

The University of Utrecht (Netherlands) will grant a honorary doctorate to the musician Ton Koopman.

Ton Koopman will receive his honorary doctorate on the 24th of March, during a special meeting. This will go together with the performance, and Dutch premiere, of The Markus Passion (J.S. Bach) which was reconstructed by Ton Koopman. This will take place in Muziekcentrum Vredenburg in Utrecht.

Ton Koopman is a musician, musicologist and professor of harpsichord at the Royal Conservatory in The Hague. He will receive his honorary doctorate for his contributions to the scientific research and his musical interpretation of the works of Bach, especially the passions and cantatas. Koopman also contributes to the present-day musical representation of christian faith which was also the source of inspiration for Bach's works. The year 2000 is announced as the international Bach-year. The honorary doctorate will be granted on account of the faculty of theology, honorary supervisor is Mrs. Prof. Willemien Otten, professor of Churchhistory.


Koopman Cantata sound problems?

Deborah Carroll wrote:

I read your review (very helpful thank you), and there was one item in particular that struck my attention: your description of a "pop" sound. Last year I purchased part of the "Complete Cantatas," conducted by Ton Koopman. The popping sound occurred on most of the tracks, along with a crackling sound, and a constant skipping of sections. These defects were > so pronounced that I feared for my speakers. Subsequently I had to return all but two of the series. It is very hard for me to believe that these problems escaped both the sound engineers and the record company, Erato.

Ben Mullins wrote (April 25, 2000):

What volumes were they? I have the first seven and haven't heard any problems. Perhaps it was, as Kirk said, a bad pressing?

Donald Satz wrote (April 27, 2000):

I have the 9 Koopman volumes and haven't noticed any glitches on any of them. However, I do find that, overall, the sound is not the best. It is overly rich and homogenized. Comparing that sound to Rifkin on Decca is very illuminating.

Jane Newble wrote (April 29, 2000):

When I first heard Rifkin, I did not like it, and I thought it was probably the OVPP (one voice per part) that put me off. Since then I heard Junghanel, and like it, so it's not that. My problem with Rifkin is the recording. It sounds as if it was recorded in a carpeted room (ceiling included). The sound makes me feel c, there is no space. Koopman is the opposite. There is a lot of space, because the recordings are done in churches. Was that not the original setting for the church-cantatas?

Donald Satz wrote (April 30, 2000):

Jane and I must have very different hearing mechanisms. I find Rifkin's sound superb with no sense of a small room, carpeted or otherwise. I agree that Koopman sounds as if in a larger space, but that he congregates all the singers and instruments in just one spot.


Marcel Ponseele

Patrik Enander wrote (May 1, 2000):

As some of you on this list know I'm a great fan of Ponseele oboe playing. Probably by mistake I got his e-mail address and I sent him a mail expressing my admiration

He answered very politely and told me that he has now stooped recording for Koopman since he thought his way of conducting superficial. Bach is so beautiful and profound that it needs the special treatment of Herreweghe! I suppose that includes Suzuki as well even if he doesn't mention it.

Ryan Michero wrote (May 3, 2000):

(To Patrick Enander) WHOA! That's a big deal for Ponseele to say something like that. Maybe he's mad because Koopman isn't letting him be as expressive as he wants to be. Let's hope he keeps making great music under his preferred leaders.


Evaluation of Cantata Recording

Paul McCain
wrote (January 2, 2001):
First of all, please permit me to thank the person responsible for the wonderful Bach cantata www site. What a joy and delight to have all these resources.

Second, I apologize for such a "newbie" question, but would anyone care to comment on the Koopman cantata project? Perhaps this is not the write mailing list for this question. I would like to hear from the wisdom of this group about the quality of these recordings, their advantages and/or disadvantages.

Thank you very much in advance for any information you could share with me.

Aryeh Oron wrote (January 2, 2001):
(To Paul McCain) Thanks. It is me.

A page with all the previous correspondance regarding Koompan's cantatas recordings, will soon be available in the new Archive Site under the section - Performers of the Cantatas. Personally, I prefer to avoid making generalizations regarding a performer of the cantatas. With such enormous musical ocean, every performer has its ups and downs. I prefer to judge each recording of a certain performer on its own terms and in comparison to other recordings of the same cantata. I am trying to do it open-minded. Very often I find the conclusions surprising.

Jane Newble wrote (January 3, 2001):
(To Paul McCain) Hello Paul, welcome to this list!
I would like to say a few things about Koopman, although I agree with Aryeh, that they are all different and have their ups and downs. Personally, I love the Koopman cantatas. I find the quality of the recordings very good, and the singing of his choir is just wonderful. Sometimes I regret his use of the soprano Barbara Schlick, but she is not on all the volumes. The bass Klaus Mertens is to me the highlight of all his recordings. I just love his wonderful voice, expression and control. I don't think all that many people would disagree with this. There is, however, disagreement on the way Koopman takes the speed of the cantatas. This is really down to personal taste, I think.

I also like going to his website and trying out the new volumes. Not that it makes any difference as I buy them anyway. I do not have the last two volumes yet.

In the end, what really matters is whether you like them. The other thing I should say is that I wish they had used a different translation in the booklets!)


Koopman Bach Cantata Series

Dave Harman wrote (October 26, 2001):
It seems a long time since another volume of the Koopman Bach Cantata series has come out. Not only that, but it seems to me the pace of releases on this series has slowed considerably.

Has anyone heard about this series ? Is it still going ?

Michael Grover wrote (October 26, 2001):
[To Dave Harman] According to Koopman's website (http://www.tonkoopman.nl/) Vol. 12 (of a planned 20) will be released November 2. It will include the following cantatas: BWV 8, 26, 78, 91, 99, 107, 111, 114, 121, 124, 135, and 178.

It looks like you've asked a timely question -- yet another item for us to add to our wish lists!

Aya Itoi wrote (October 26, 2001):
Recording sessions for Vol. 15 will start in mid November. I was told they would finish the project in 2003.


Ton Koopman Newsletter Vol. 2001-3

Cor Knops
wrote (November 23, 2001):
The twelveth volume of the ongoing series "J.S. Bach's Complete Cantatas" by Ton Koopman has been released.

Please visit the "news"-section at http://www.tonkoopman.nl for full details.

On this recording you will find the following cantatas:

CD 1
"Ach Herr, mich armen Sünder" BWV 135
"Meinen Jesum laß ich nicht" BWV 124
"Christum wir sollen loben schon" BWV 121
"Was mein Gott will, das g'scheh allzeit" BWV 111

CD 2
"Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan" (II) BWV 99
"Jesu, der du meine Seele" BWV 78
"Ach, lieben Christen, seid getrost" BWV 114

CD 3
"Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ" BWV 91
"Was willst du dich betrüben" BWV 107
"Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ" BWV 116
"Liebster Gott, wenn werd ich sterben" BWV 8
Appendix: BWV 8

Soloists
Lisa Larsson & Sibylla Rubens soprano
Annette Markert alto
Christoph Prégardien tenor
Klaus Mertens bass

Please visit our site at http://www.tonkoopman.nl and enjoy the samples too.



Continue to Part 2


Ton Koopman: Short Biography | Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir
Recordings:
Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4
General Discussions:
Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4 | Part 5 | Koopman’s Petition | Newsletters
Vocal Works:
Koopman on TV | Cantatas Vol. 1 | Cantatas Vol. 6 | Cantatas Vol. 9 | Cantatas Vol. 10 | Cantatas Vol. 13 | Cantatas Vol. 14 | Cantatas Vol. 17 | BWV 247 – Koopman
Instrumental Works:
Ton Koopman’s Well Tempered Clavier Book 1 | Bach Sonatas for Gamba and Harpsichord | Review: Bach Orchestral Suites DVD
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Bach’s Choir and Orchestra [by Ton Koopman]
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