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Cantata BWV 99
Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan [II]
Discussions
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Hidden triple concertos |
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Olivier Raap wrote (December 4, 1999):Cantata BWV 99 "Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan" opens with a Coro movement that seems to be an arrangement of a part (allegro?) of such a lost triple concerto: a concerto in G for flute, oboe d'amore, violin, strings and continuo. Maybe some major parts of the original work are not used in the cantata, and the solo violin part is relatively unimportant. Perhaps the work originated as a double concerto for only flute and oboe d'amore. If that would be the matter, a second part (slow tempo) of this concerto could be found in the opening Coro of cantata BWV 125 "Mit Fried' und Freud' ich fahr' dahin". Those cantatas are composed in 1724 and 1725, relatively short after the Kothen years. Maybe a Kothen concerto that is lost is borrowed for composing them. I didn't find any 3rd movement yet. Another triple concerto, a concerto in D for 2 oboes, bassoon and continuo, can be assembled. For the 1st movement (allegro?) we can use the opening Sinfonia of cantata BWV 42 "Am Abend aber desselbigen Sabbats" For the 2nd slow movement the alto aria "Wo zwei und drei" can be used, but much reconstruction work has to be done. As a final fast movement the opening Sinfonia of the Easter Oratorio is a good choice. The trumpets and timpani, that probably are added later, have to be omitted. |
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Discussions in the Week of September 8, 2002 |
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Aryeh Oron wrote (September 8, 2002):BWV 99 - Introduction The subject of this week’s discussion (September 8, 2002), according to Klaus Langrock’s suggested list, is the Chorale Cantata BWV 99 ‘Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan [II]’ (What God does, that is done well). The [II] indicates that this is a second of the three Bach Cantatas on this text. Chronologically, BWV 99, composed in 1724, is the first. The other two - BWV 98 and BWV 100 - were composed in 1726 and 1732-1735 respectively. BWV 99 was written for the 15th Sunday after Trinity, and set by Bach on the original 1st (1st Mvt.) and 5th (6th Mvt.) stanzas of Samuel Rodrigast’s hymn, while the unknown librettist paraphrased in the intervening stanzas for the two arias and the two recitatives. ‘Trust in God to help us in our distress’ is the theme of this cantata, reflecting the Gospel for the day, Matthew 6: 24-34. Recordings The details of the recordings of this cantata can be found in the following page of the Bach Cantatas Website: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/BWV99.htm Apart from four recordings from complete cantata cycles (Rilling [1], Harnoncourt [2], Leusink [5]), and the one that aim at that goal (Koopman [6]), we have an OVPP recording from the man who initiated this trend, Joshua Rifkin [3]. Additional Information In the page of recordings mentioned above you can also find links to: The original German text (at Walter F. Bischof Website); English translations by Francis Browne and Z. Philip Ambrose. Hebrew translation will come later; Score (Vocal & Piano version); Commentary: in English by Simon Crouch and by "Blue Gene" Tyranny (AMG); in Spanish by Julio Sánchez Reyes: Later today I am leaving for four days for my first vacation in three years. I have not been able to listen to this cantata for this week’s discussion before my short trip. In the meantime do not hesitate to send your contribution. I hope to catch up with the discussion at the end of this week, when I am back. |
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Thomas Shepherd wrote (September 11, 2002):I haven't this Cantata. I have read the words in translation (http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Texts/BWV99-Eng3.htm ) slowly and carefully on this most solemn day (9/11) and believe they speak eloquently of the care and love of almighty God despite all the troubles of this life. It is a text essentially about the theology of Christian hope. The chorale, Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan is one of my favourites, I wish it were in Anglican hymn books. It is a happy and joyous tune Many years ago I came across a most charming, gently flowing chorale prelude based upon this melody for the organ by Johann Peter Kellner (1705-1772). |
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Thomas Braatz wrote (November 13, 2002):BWV 99 - Provenance: See: Cantata BWV 99 - Provenance Commentaries: [Smend, Dürr] See: Cantata BWV 99 - Commentary |
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Ludwig wrote (September 13, 2002):[To Thomas Braatz] Thanks you Thomas for this account of the miraculous survival of the autographs---through Napolean, the Franco Prussian Wars, WW I and II of which the last was the most dangerous of all to the manuscripts and some probally got lost anyway through the ignorance of some military person who decided that it was waste paper or who lit his pipe with the score and from the burning of buildings. Thomas, please tell us what if any damage was done to works related to Bach in Dresden in the floods of 2002. Much still has to be found and recovered from WWII including a painting in which Monks are processing into a Church from a snowy outdoors. I had been under the impression that nearly all of Bach's originals had been brought to the United States sometime before WW II and were at Baldwin Wallace College in Ohio or the Library of Congress. I do know for a fact that much of Bach's original mansuscripts of his Organ scores are at Baldwin Wallace. I am wondering what is being done to conserve the originals or they are just sitting on a shelf somewhere instead of a fireproof and water proof vault with controled hepa air filtered air and humidity control. If they are not they need to be as well as computer scammed copies made of the originals and then distributed all over the world to major libraries so that if the original is ever lost then we at least know what it said precisely as well as being able to produce precise copies of it for distribution to scholars. |
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Aryeh Oron wrote (September 14, 2002):BWV 99 - The Recordings Last week I have been listening to 5 complete recordings of the Cantata: [1] Helmuth Rilling (1979) [2] Nikolaus Harnoncourt (1979) [3] Joshua Rifkin (1988) [5] Pieter Jan Leusink (1999) [6] Ton Koopman (2000) Pre-Review Fresh from a short vacation I had only one day to listen couple of times to the five complete recordings listed above, doing the translation to Hebrew, reading some commentary and writing the review. Therefore, I limited myself to only one movement this time. The movement I have found as the most appealing is the duet for soprano and alto (Mvt. 5). Indeed it is also tempting to compare Rifkin’s OVPP approach, especially in the choral movements (Mvt. 1 & Mvt. 6), with the more conservative approach of the four other conductors; Indeed, it is also tempting to compare William Walton’s orchestration of the opening chorus, which he did for his ballet ‘The Wise Virgins’, with the original score. But such temptations and others will have to wait for other reviewers and/or for the next round of weekly cantata discussions. Background & Review The background below is taken from the following sources: Alec Robertson: ‘The Church Cantatas of J.S. Bach’ (1972), W. Murray Young: ‘The Cantatas of J.S. Bach – An Analytical Guide’ (1989), and Nicholas Anderson in ‘Oxford Composer Companion – J.S. Bach (1999). The English translation is by Francis Browne. Mvt. 5 Aria (Duet) for Soprano and Alto Flauto traverso, Oboe d'am, Continuo Wenn des Kreuzes Bitterkeiten (When the bitterness of the cross) Robertson: The text reflects St Paul’s words in the Epistle for this Sunday about the antagonism between spirit and flesh. It is hammered home by the constant use of repeated notes in the instrumental and vocal parts. The struggle is vividly depicted whenever ‘streiten’ (struggle) comes into the voice parts. Young: Accompanied by a transverse flute and an oboe d’amore, they sing in cannon of the struggle between the flesh and the spirit. The rhythm indicates writhing to depict this contest. The spirit must endure the tortures of the flesh in order to be sanctified. Anderson: (The recitative for alto) leads to a duet in B minor for soprano and alto with obbligato flute and oboe d’amore, and basso continuo. In this movement, where both vocal and instrumental lines proceed for the most part in imitation, Bach reaches ever greater heights of expressive subtlety. Contrasting themes of suffering and triumph over adversity, or, more, specifically, the conflict between the spirit and the flesh, are held in balance with the utmost delicacy. [1] Rilling with Arleen Augér (soprano) & Helen Watts (contralto). Time: 2:34 In the preceding recitative one can clearly hear that Helen Watts is behind her prime. The beauty and stability of voice with care for nuances have all almost gone. The duet is performed too fast and many details are left unnoticed. In such velocity Watts’ shortcomings are not so evident. However, despite the presence of Augér and good flute & oboe d’amore players, this rendition of the duet fails to please. [2] Harnoncourt with Wilhelm Wiedl (boy soprano) & Paul Esswood (counter-tenor). Time: 2:54 The match between the voices of the boy soprano and the counter-tenor does not work miracles. In some other cantatas Harnoncourt preferred to use team of boys (soprano and alto) for duets. The voices do not blend well here, and there is no real dialogue between the singers, either when they have to sing in cannon or when they have to struggle against each other. It seems that the singers are playing in different yards. I am also not very impressed by the playing of the two woodwinds, which has some stumbling here and there. [3] Rifkin with Julianne Baird (soprano) & Allan Fast (counter-tenor). Time: 3:03 Rifkin brings clarity, transparency and precision unmatched by any of the other conductors. He seems to catch the real ‘spirit’ of this duet. It is well-balanced, but vivid and sensitive and not over-calculated. Both singers are in good form and one can almost sense visually the chemistry and empathy between the two. The correlation between all the participants, singers and players alike, is magical. With every repeated hearing you can notice another detail. [5] Leusink with Ruth Holton (soprano) & Sytse Buwalda (counter-tenor). Time: 3:20 As Rifkin, Leusink is also using here a team of soprano and counter-tenor. The results are more satisfactory than one could have expected based on past experience. It is as if you here the previous rendition, but on somewhat lower level. It is less precise, less balanced; there is some difference between the approaches of the singers, etc. Nevertheless, I believe that if this recording is the only one you have, it will not fail to please. [6] Koopman with Lisa Larsson (soprano) & Annette Markert (contralto). Time: 4:39 This rendition seems to come from a world, totally different from the other recordings. The first factor one can immediately notice is that is the slowest of all. And this comes from a conductor who is not known for his slow tempi in performances of Bach Cantatas. Secondly, it has a dreaming quality, not to be found in any of the other recordings of this cantata. Thirdly, the extra time gives the two singers a room to express. Both have beautiful voices and intelligent expression to offer. The unique contralto voice of Markert matches splendidly the more ‘conventional’ soprano of Larsson. They also listen to each other, and their overt enjoyment contributes to the enjoyment of the listener. The two sublime woodwind players leave nothing to be desired. The only factor missing is some tension and sense of struggle when the music and the text call for it. Conclusion Personal preferences of the Duet: Rifkin [3], Koopman [6], Leusink [5], Harnoncourt [2], Rilling [1] A movement to take away: The Duet with Baird, Fast & Rifkin [3] As always, I would like to hear other opinions, regarding the above mentioned performances, or other recordings. |
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Thomas Braatz wrote (September 15, 2002):BWV 99 - Recordings: This week I listened to the following recordings: Rilling (1979) [1]; Harnoncourt (1980) [2]; Rifkin (1988) [3]; Leusink (1999) [5]; Koopman (2000) [6] In this group there is only one non-HIP recording: Rilling [1], which uses modern instruments and is tuned at standard pitch. All the others are HIP and are tuned a semi-tone lower than Rilling’s recording. Here are the comparative timings of the key mvts. (excluding the recitatives): |
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Rilling |
4:38 |
5:57 |
2:34 |
2:34 |
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Harnoncourt |
6:23 |
5:57 |
2:54 |
1:00 |
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Rifkin |
5:02 |
5:39 |
3:03 |
1:13 |
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Leusink |
5:03 |
5:22 |
3:20 |
1:01 |
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Koopman |
4:24 |
5:36 |
4:39 |
0:54 |
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Mvt. 1: Koopman is 2 minutes faster than the slowest version by Harnoncourt! |
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Francis Browne wrote (September 15, 2002):Not the least advantage of translating the cantatas is that I listen intently to each cantata at two different times. Often my opinion of the cantata changes markedly with the second hearing. This is the case with BWV 99. When I listened to Leusink's recording [5] some weeks ago I enjoyed but was not particularly gripped by the music. Listening again last week with Koopman's recording [6] for comparison I found far more in the music than at first, particularly in movement 5, the duet for soprano and alto. Neither recording I have heard is without faults , but the approach Aryeh mentioned recently - listening to different recordings to imagine an ideal performance- makes me feel I have gained some appreciation of what Bach intended with this marvellous music. In the first movement Whittaker remarks that "the ritornelli are disproportionately long. For example, the introduction lasts nineteen bars, the first choral entry four and a half." But he adds justly:"This in no wise interferes with the beauty of the movement". Clearly the striking, constantly interesting orchestral writing is intended to comment on, deepen and enhance the meaning of the text which is presented comparatively simply line by line. The joy in the music brings out the meaning and implications of each line of the hymn. Because of the absurdly rapid tempo none of this happens in Koopman's recording [6]. No weight is allowed to be given to the words as the composer intended. Instead they seem merely an interruption to the frantic race going on in the orchestra. Bach intends jubilation, celebration, deliberate joy; Koopman conveys scurry, bustle. Simply by dint of a less hurried tempo Leusink [5] is more successful in conveying the essence of the music - and this despite the faults so accurately observed, as always, by Tom Braatz. In terms of the emotional architecture of this cantata the joy and reassurance of the opening movement form an important background for what follows. Suffering and struggle are more prominent in the aria and duet but they are meant to be heard , I feel, in the context that has been established: Was Gott tut, das ist wohlgetan. In the tenor aria the words are formally reassuring but I found it was the wonderfully expressive writing for the flute that haunted me. Robertson comments " the flute has demisemiquaver phrases in most of its part...perhaps depicting the fears of the 'despondent soul' " and Whittaker says vividly:" the obbligato flute soon slides down chromatically...and flutters like a wounded bird for many bars at a time". Just as the orchestra conveys joy and reassurance in the opening movement, so here it is the flute which gives expression to the suffering and fear implied by the text and the role of the tenor should be straightforward .Unfortunately the strain in Knut Schoch's singing in Leusink's recording [5] puts the impression of suffering in the wrong place and unbalances the movement. Simply by singing more easily Pregardien and the excellent flautist in Koopman's [6] achieve much more. After repeated listening it is the fifth movement, the duet for soprano and alto, which stays with me as the jewel of this cantata. Robertson comments: " The text reflect's St Paul's words in the Epistle for this Sunday about the antagonism between spirit and flesh. It is hammered home by the constant use of repeated notes in the instrumental and vocal parts. The struggle is vividly depicted whenever' struggle ' comes into the voice parts". Leusink's version [5] seems so miscalcuated with its jerky, jaunty tempo that I do not want to comment further on it. But I feel more may be said about Koopman's version [6] which Tom found "a dirge-like presentation [that] lacks any sense of the ‘fighting’ or ‘battling’ that the text speaks " and in which after some very perceptive positive comments Aryeh found " The only factor missing is some tension and sense of struggle when the music and the text call for it." Again, as in the opening movement and the tenor aria, it seems to me that Bach conveys much the implications of the text in the instrumental writing; and in Koopman's performance both the instrumentalists and singers combine wonderfully to convey what music and text express : in this there is 'streiten' - the fighting, battling, struggle to which Tom and Aryeh refer- but there is also Bitterkeiten (bitterness), Schwachheit (weakness) and what seems unertraglich(unenduurable) : after repeated listening it seems to me that Bach has -as so often- accomplished something different and more worthwhile than what one might expect at first. To convey simple joy, sorrow, struggle is comparatively straightforward for a compser of Bach's abilities. But to express a sense of the difficulty of the effort, constant discouragement, occasional hope in trying to lead a moral life as most people do from day to day - this is far harder, and this I feel is what Bach accomplishes in this duet and what Koopman's performance [6] in a large measure succeeds in conveying. |
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Din the Week of August 27, 2006 |
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Peter Smaill wrote (August 26, 2006):Introduction to BWV 99, "Was Gott tut, das ist Wohlgetan" Week of August 27, 2006 Cantata BWV 99, “Was Gott tut, das is wohlgetan”” 1st performance: 17 September, 1724 - Leipzig Second Annual Cantata Cycle, 1723-24 (Jahrgang II) Previous Discussion: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/BWV99-D.htm Main Cantata page: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/BWV99.htm The Cantata for the Fifteenth Sunday after Trinity 1724 commences with one of the most exuberant choruses and indeed was adapted by Walton for his ballet, the Wise Virgins; for which, see http://www..bach-cantatas.com/Performers/Walton.htm. Though overshadowed by the even more extrovert setting of BWV 100, this, the first of the three settings of Samuel Rodigast’s chorale, rightly earns the description (Boyd/Anderson) of “beautifully proportioned”. The joyful opening, and the later adaptation of the one other Cantata for this Sunday, the resplendent BWV 51, ”Jauchet Gott in Allen Landen”, offers some evidence that Bach in 1724 was sensitive to the need of the congregation to have a leavening of the mood in succeeding cantatas. BWV 78 deals, as we saw, with the Passion; and the following Sunday (Trinity 16) is uniquely concerned with death, each Cantata being of superb quality. So this Sunday suggests refreshment is in order. The anapaestic joy-motif is much in evidence in BWV 99/1 (Mvt. 1), as is the case in the Neumeister chorale setting, BWV 1116. This Chorale, known well by Bach and set three times (BWV 98, BWV 99, BWV 100), is suited to a display of happy confidence by virtue of the ascending incipit of the anonymous melody. There is also the splendid setting in BWV 75 which is reused in BWV 100. By contrast, the prior year saw another traditional Chorale associated with the readings for this day, Hans Sach’s “Warum betrübst du dich, mein Herz”, BWV 138, which is decidedly penitential and so a sequence of three grim texts dealing with following on from the 14th Sunday in Trinity to the 16th - dealing with sickness, distress and then death in that order- may have suggested to Bach an upbeat interloper in the shape of BWV 99 for 1724. A feature of Mvt. 1 is the prolonged and delightful orchestral ritornellos, with an interesting suggestion that the material may have come from a secular work at Cöthen. However, these passages also include the incipit of the Chorale melody which implies that the format is deliberate in all regards. The effervescence of the flute and oboe work is perhaps explained when the translation of “wohlgetan” is not the prosaic “well done” but instead the Richard Jones' use (in Dürr), “dealt bountifully”. Textually the linking of human suffering to the Passion, and the transformation implied therein, which is the thesis also of BWV 78, is strongly demonstrated but in a negative sense: (Mvt. 5) Wenn des Kreuzes Bitterkeiten Mit des Fleisches Schwachheit streiten… (“When the bitternesses of the Cross Struggle with the weakness of the flesh It is nonetheless beneficial. Whoever through false opinion Regards the cross as unbearable Will not find delight in the future”) Mvt. 3 allows Bach’s talented flautist to display his talents and in this case the challenge includes a five note chromatic downward figure. Dürr identifies a “shaking” motif clearly linked to the text, whereas possibly “Kreuzkelch” (Cross’s Cup), though not directly set to the passus duriusculus, is the inspiration for the chromatic figure. The SMP (BWV 244) aria, “Kreuz und Becher” has been argued to use the BACH motif transposed and inverted, another hermeneutic reaction to the mention of Cross and Cup. At the risk of encouraging Holy Grail –type speculations, the source is again Timothy Smith at: http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/-tas3/pubs/circ/circulatio.html .. “Kelch” also appears in BWV 92/8, (“Kreuzkelch”) BWV 48/2,5; (Kreuzkelch) BWV 138/2 (“den bittern Kelch von Tränen) and in the sister Cantata BWV 100/5 (“Kelch”) Some chromatic emphasis is apparent at the word in the delightful BWV 92/8, but not the passus; the penitential BWV 48 has a strongly chromatic chorus and amazing tonal intervals in the “Kreuzkelch” recitative, but likewise no strong evidence of word painting and the same is true of BWV 138/2, also for Trinity 15. BWV 100/5 is full of word-painting, but not especially chromatic at “Kelch” So, IMO, does Bach have a special tonal device for the Holy Grail? Generally chromaticism is involved, but no single device distinguishes this theologically charged image. On the wider subject of the reaction of Bach to the appearance of "Kreuz", see Thomas Braatz earlier work at http://www..bach-cantatas.com/Articles/Esoteric.htm. Yet again we have the notion of “Ewigkeit”, here in the recitative BWV 99/4 rather than, as is common, in the closing number. The Cantatas are at this date of a highly ontological character, usually in the final verses of the Chorales: Trinity 10 BWV 101 Keywords Ewig, Stundelein (literally “little hour”) Trinity 11 BWV 113 Letzen Stunde Trinity 13 BWV 33 Ewigkeit Trinity 14 BWV 78 Ewigkeit Trinity 15 BWV 99 Ewigkeit, Errettungszeit (*in Recit 99/4) Trinity 16 BWV 8 Ende gut, endlich Trinity 17 BWV 114 Selig sterben (*Recit 114/3) Trinity 18 BWV 96 Ewigkeit (*Chorus 96/1) Trinity 19 BWV 5 Ewig The sentiment of looking forward to eternity, the last hour, the time of deliverance, a good end and a holy death are often present in the Cantatas but seem to have special appeal for the librettist in the second cycle. Extracts from selected Commentaries Robertson: (Mvt. 1) The strings introduce the attractive melody, which is obviously derived from that of the Chorale, and then give place to the woodwind, with the oboe d’amore playing the melody, the flute carolling above. Whittaker: (Mvt. 1) The ritornelli are disproportionately long. For example, the introduction lasts nineteen bars, the first choral entry 4½. This in no wise interferes with the beauty of the movement. (Mvt. 3) The obbligato flute soon slides down chromatically, a foretaste of similar passages, both direct and inverted, and flutters like a wounded bird for many bars at a time. It is a beautiful and effective number. Boyd (Nicholas Anderson): (Mvt. 5) In this Duet [in B minor for soprano and alto with obbligato flute and oboe d’amore], where both vocal and instrumental lines proceed for the most part in imitation, Bach reaches ever greater heights of expressive subtlety. Contrasting themes of suffering and triumph over adversity, or, more specifically, the conflict between the spirit and the flesh, are held in the balance with the utmost delicacy. Dürr: (Mvt. 1) …the Abgesang introduces new g. Passages assigned a tutti function are no longer played by strings alone but by strings and woodwind- a true orchestral tutti- and the flute occasionally yields its figurative concertante role to the oboe. Consequently, the instrumental postlude is not identical with the opening ritornello as it is in most cases. (Mvt. 5) At the entry of the voice parts… the texture is expanded to a quintet. As in many of Bach’s duets, something of the sectional structure of the motet is still maintained. The duets of Agostini Steffani, regarded as classics in Bach’s day, were constructed according to the same principle. Outstanding questions If there are further thoughts on the significance of “Kelch” to Bach, who as a Protestant may have been told to be wary of this image, then no doubt the film rights will repay the research! We have extant only two cantatas written for this Sunday in the 1720’s, with BWV 51 (“In ogni tempo”) adapted for the occasion later (? 1730). BWV 100 (partly adapted from BWV 99) in (?) 1732 is nevertheless not known to be for this Sunday. Was there a reason for this much later addition of BWV 51 of the selection for this Sunday – or it is simply the case, as with other Sundays (e.g. Trinity 18) that other Cantatas from the 1720’s have not survived? Or did Bach actually lose the parts and score for a further Cantata in 1725 or 1726 and need to replace it later? ======================================================================= BWV 99 has much to offer in the sense of its upbeat opening Chorus, fine solo and duet, delightful flute and oboe work; and with the subtle structural variety underneath. I look forward to responses on the extent to which the various recordings have captured its special appeal. Peter Smaill ======================================================================= Additional Resources Libretto: Andreas Stübel (per Wolff, “Johann Sebastian Bach: The Learned Musician”, p.278) Chorale: “Was Gott tut, das is wohlgetan” Text: Samuel Rodigast (1674) Melody: Severus Gastorius (?) Chorale Melody: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/CM/Was-Gott-tut.htm Chorale Text: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Texts/Chorale014-Eng3.htm Text: http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~wfb/cantatas/99.html English Translation: http://www.uvm.edu/~classics/faculty/bach/BWV99.html Other translations: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/BWV99.htm Structure and scoring: Chorus SATB Recitative B Aria T Recitative A Aria Duetto SA Chorale SATB Instruments: Fl trav, Ob d’Am, 2 Vn, Va, Cor, Cont Liturgical Comments: For the 15th Sunday in Trinity Other Cantatas written for this Sunday: BWV 138, “Warum betrübst du dich, mein Herz”, Leipzig, 1723 BWV 51, “Jauchzet Gott in Allen Landen”, Leipzig, 1730 (?). Dürr suggests 1729. Texts of Readings: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Read/Trinity15.htm Piano Vocal Score: (free PDF download): http://www.bach-cantatas.com/BWV99.htm Recordings: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/BWV99.htm Music (free streaming download): http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Mus/BWV99-Mus.htm Commentaries: http://www.classical.net/music/comp.lst/works/bachjs/cantatas/099.html http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Guide/BWV99-Guide.htm Performances of Bach Cantatas: http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Concert-2006.htm Order of Discussion (2006): http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Order-2006.htm |
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Julian Mincham wrote (August 26, 2006):Chorale fantasia:- BWV 99, "Was Gott tut, das ist Wohlgetan" Not much to add to Peter's comprehensive introduction to BWV 99 except to comment upon certain discrepancies to be found in discussions about the first movement. One often finds people saying (as Robertson, quoted by Peter) that the ritornello is 'obviously' derived from the chorale. Well, is it? Both opening phrases begin on rising notes (beginning on different notes of the scale) but that's a pretty tenuous connection which i have yet to be convinced by. What, to me is more interesting is the odd construction of the ritornello. It runs for 16 bars then comes to a full stop with a perfect cadence in the tonic key. This is just where we might expect the solo instrument to enter in an Italian corncerto type movement--and it is just where the solo flute does enter (NOT the chorale) and it bubbles along for rour bars where the sopranos enter with the first phrase of the chorale. The solo flute is not impeded a jot by this but carries on regardless as it does in all the chorale entries. And look how sparsely harmonised most of the chorale entries are, usually the soprano line enters alone and the other voices do not weave a complex tapestry around it--they provide a simple four part harmonisation of the type we would expect from the harmonisations at the end of the cantatas---exactly what we would expect if Bach had taken a concerto movement and adapted it minimally in order to accommodate the chorale entries. So the internal structural evidence leans much more towards it being a pre-composed concert movement than composed especially for this cantata and deriving from this chorale. If so which concerto and for what instrument? Here I admit I stray into total conjecture. The original is unlikely to have been for flute for a number of historical reasons and violin is the most likely candidate. So might it have been one of the missing three violin concerti? If so could the key be a pointer to finding other possible reuses of lost violin concerti? Assuming G major to have been the original key (of course it may not have been) but if it were we might have 4 concerti in the keys E, Am, Dm and now G. Could it be that Bach's set of six violin concerti had an underlying key pattern (like, for example the six English suites) using the notes of the circle of fifths? Depending where if began this could make a set of six in Bm, E, Am Dm G and C. Or E, Am, Dm G, C and F. Not outside the bounds of possibility----- F major was used by Bach on more than one occasion for concerti including Brandenburgs 1 and 2, and note the violin concertante parts in the chorale fantasia for BWV 1 also in F. So I would propose that there is quite good internal evidence to suggest that the movement has its origins in a concerto movement and further indications which might suggest where we might seek other examples of arrangements of Cothen concerti. May mean nothing of course, but its fun to have a couple of pointers as to where one might look. |
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Thomas Braatz wrote (August 26, 2006):Julian Mincham wrote: >>And look how sparsely harmonised most of the chorale entries are, usually the soprano line enters alone and the other voices do not weave a complex tapestry around it--they provide a simple four part harmonisation of the type we would expect from the harmonisations at the end of the cantatas---exactly what we would expect if Bach had taken a concerto movement and adapted it minimally in order to accommodate the chorale entries.<< This seems to be a modified form of "Vokaleinbau" ("vocal/voice inbuilding") where the vocal parts are placed on top of already existing instrumental material. |
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Ed M wrote (September 1, 2006):Peter Smaill wrote: < By contrast, the prior year saw another traditional Chorale associated with the readings for this day, [...] BWV 138, which is decidedly penitential and so a sequence of three grim texts following on from the 14th Sunday in Trinity to the 16th [...] may have suggested to Bach an upbeat interloper in the shape of BWV 99 for 1724. > If that was Bach's intent, it certainly worked for me. I am new to much of this music, and new to all of it with analytical intent. I start with a once through listen to what recordings I have on hand (increasing), a read through the the BCML introduction, and references (also increasing), and more listening. The first impression from Rilling [1], BWV 99 is more upbeat than the previous weeks, BWV 33 and BWV 78. One important contribution to this impression is the evolution of the flute line, from the hiatus in BWV 33, to bubbling accompaniment (BWV 78/4), to essential solo role from the outset (BWV 99/1). Where are the flautists, all secretly writing books? < A feature of BWV 99/1 is the prolonged and delightful orchestral ritornellos, with an interesting suggestion that the material may have come from a secular work at Cöthen.> Again, the constructions through this week and the two preceding weeks stand out. It is an outstanding advantage of the chronolgic discussion to discover (or rediscover and emphasize) these relations. It is all new to me, so I will leave it to others to argue the novelties. I think Tom Braatz' idea of vocal lines laid over preexisting instrumental music is worth consideration in both BWV 33 and BWV 99: < This seems to be a modified form of "Vokaleinbau" ("vocal/voice inbuilding") where the vocal parts are placed on top of already existing instrumental material.> Peter Smaill wrote: < What, to me is more interesting is the odd construction of the ritornello. It runs for 16 bars then comes to a full stop with a perfect cadence in the tonic key. This is just where we might expect the solo instrument to enter in an Italian concerto type movement--and it is just where the solo flute does enter (NOT the chorale) and it bubbles along for four bars where the sopranos enter with the first phrase of the chorale. The solo flute is not impeded a jot by this but carries on regardless as it does in all the chorale entries. And look how sparsely harmonised most of the chorale entries are, usually the soprano line enters alone and the other voices do not weave a complex tapestry around it--they provide a simple four part harmonisation of the type we would expect from the harmonisations at the end of the cantatas---exactly what we would expect if Bach had taken a concerto movement and adapted it minimally in order to accommodate the chorale entries.> A lot of material to repeat, especially since I am uncertain of my call and response functions, but it is hard to see what to cut. In any case, all relevant to current three weeks, with respect to flute, ritornello, and chorale variety. I don't have a lot of insight to add, but I would at least like you guys to know I read and appreciate. To jump back a year, I especially enjoyed Peter's mention of BWV 138 (the cross cutting liturgical year mini-set often suggested), and the extended references culminating in: < If there are further thoughts on the significance of <Kelch> to Bach, who as a Protestant may have been told to be wary of this image, then no doubt the film rights will repay the research! > The Grail, the Wundermann, the Todesschweiss, mon Dieu, what a movie! All is wellen that ends wellen. |
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Eric Bergerud wrote (September 3, 2006):Peter Smaill wrote: <By contrast, the prior year saw another traditional Chorale associated with the readings for this day, [...] BWV 138, which is decidedly penitential and so a sequence of three grim texts following on from the 14th Sunday in Trinity to the 16th [...] may have suggested to Bach an upbeat interloper in the shape of BWV 99 for 1724. > I certainly enjoyed listening to my recordings of BWV 99. (Why did I have so few duplicates when I was introducing the earlier works? Divine Providence perhaps: fewer recordings the less the confusion?) In Lutheran terms the message is certainly affirmative, a strong reminder that God is there to help us through the vale of tears. The Rifkin version [3] was very nice - I agree with earlier comments singling out Ms. Baird's singing. I like her more and more. Leusink's ensemble [5] put out a perfectly nice rendition. I am not a Buwalda fan, but he and Ruth Holton sang well together in the duet and the remainder of the work was middle of the road in approach and impact. In general I think Leusink was wise not to try to make grand statements, the horses aren't strong enough and the nature of the project didn't allow it. And I'm not sure it's necessary considering the inherent strength of the music. Not many liked Harnoncourt's boy/male alto duet [2]. I thought it was okay, but have heard better. However, I think Harnoncourt's players did a very impressive job with rest of the work. The chorale movements at beginning and end were both very pleasing to my ears. I particularly enjoyed the slow, almost regal introduction. As noted elsewhere, Koopman [6] was in no rush either. The two versions could hardly have been more different, but I found Koopman's approach very satisfying. The long and beautifully sung duet with mezzo and soprano I thought, as opposed to Aryeh's view, fit the text beautifully. When looked in context of the entire libretto, the duet is not about tension. Instead it's that "bittersweet" view of man and God that leads to so much of Bach's best music. BTW: Like Yoël I've been sending Berkshire some of my money, although not on cantatas. There are indeed great bargains galore but the site has a real "first generation" search engine and is one of the least intuitive sites I've seen. Found a pretty good way around it though. I downloaded the music catalog in PDF format and used the search too in the Acrobat reader. I searched composers and labels (you can do that on-site if you know what you're doing and are lucky) until I get enough data to feed Berkshire's lame search machine the data required. For instance, try searching simply $2.99 on Adobe: hundreds of nice recordings pop up. |
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Cantata BWV 99 : Complete Recordings | Recordings of Individual Movements | Discussions |
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